Transcript EP 288 – How to Combat the Harmful Effects of Various Types of Light with Meredith Oke
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Dr. Taz: Welcome back, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of Super Woman Wellness, where we are determined to bring you back to your super-powered self. And this topic is going to get all of us, because we are all probably guilty as charged, we are talking blue light and the effects on our health. And joining me today is Meredith Oke, she’s the co-founder of Quantum Health TV, the world’s first video streaming channel focused on decentralizing health education, where medical experts break down the emerging science of circadian rhythms and quantum biology. As an ICF accredited executive coach, she’s lived and worked on three continents, helping clients from all over the world improve their lives by changing their beliefs and their habits. She began her career working in media, covering entertainment and interviewing movie stars, before she shifted into communications and coaching. Now, through Quantum Health TV, she’s helping people suffering from chronic illness by providing information that is years ahead of what most doctors and naturopaths are currently practicing. Welcome to the show.
Meredith Oke: Thank you so much. Thanks for having me, Dr. Taz. I love your podcast and I love your mission so thank you-
Dr. Taz: Well, thank you.
Meredith Oke: … for putting this out there, it makes such a difference to the world.
Dr. Taz: Well, thank you. It’s definitely a source of joy for me, I’ve got to say. So I love what I do, and I love the opportunity to meet people who are diving into areas that are cutting edge, talking about the things that everybody else doesn’t really want to talk about. You’ve had this media career, entertainment career, how did you land in health and quantum health and all this other business? Give us a little bit of background?
Meredith Oke: Yeah. So I’m really a researcher and an observer and a patient in this world. That’s the lens that I come through. And I came to it, I think as so many people do, because I was suffering from really intense chronic fatigue, and I went to the doctor and she ran my labs and she’s like, “Yeah, you’re fine.”
Dr. Taz: That’s a classic line, right? “Yeah, you’re fine.”
Meredith Oke: Okay, but I can’t get through my day, so I don’t know how that’s fine. Right. And so I was in that place where I think a lot of people, probably a lot of people who would listen to your podcast, where it’s like, “I’m not sick enough to warrant being… to have the traditional medical system know what to do with me, but I’m also really suffering in terms of my quality of life because I’m just not feeling well a lot of the time.”
Dr. Taz: Right.
Meredith Oke: So I did all the things. I did acupuncture, I did so many things. Wonderful, everything helped a little bit. I really got my food dialed in, I did a course of supplements with a wonderful practitioner, but I still just couldn’t quite get to a place where I would wake up in the morning and feel like, “Yes, I’m going to live my life today and not have to think about managing my energy or how tired I am.” And I would sleep for 10 hours and wake up and feel tired. I just could never get… it’s like when your phone gets really old and you need to replace it, and no matter what you do it won’t make a charge. That’s how I felt in my body.
Dr. Taz: Oh my gosh.
Meredith Oke: But most of the-
Dr. Taz: When is this, by the way? When is all this happening? So-
Meredith Oke: It really started in 2014. So 2014 to 2017, I was doing all these different things, and they did help. I was much better than 2014, which is when I had my third child, which made everything-
Dr. Taz: Right. I always like-
Meredith Oke: She’s the blessing in my life but that pregnancy really-
Dr. Taz: Let’s put fire on something that’s already simmering.
Meredith Oke: Exactly.
Dr. Taz: Right. Anyhow, yeah.
Meredith Oke: And before I got pregnant with her, I went to my OB and had a full check up, and she was like, “Yeah, you’re good, get pregnant.” And I went to an acupuncturist and he was like, “You are really out of balance. I’m not sure why.” But I was kind of in a rush, and I ignored him and got pregnant anyway. And then-
Dr. Taz: Isn’t that interesting? Because that’s such a Eastern medicine concept, and something I love so much about things like Chinese medicine and Ayurvedic medicine, even homeopathy to a certain extent, it’s all about energy. You live your life and you plan your life according to the energy that you have. You don’t go sign up for stuff and then hope you go find energy somewhere. You’re supposed to do it the other way around. And that’s interesting, because they would never… in Chinese medicine, they would never want you to get pregnant and have a baby until you built your Chi or your internal Chi, and then they would say, “Hey, okay, you’re ready.” Whereas, Western medicine, we’re all like, “Okay, baby one, baby two, baby three,” you kind of keep pummeling through it. And meanwhile, the body really does crash. So it sounds like that’s a lot of what happened to you.
Meredith Oke: Yes, absolutely. And then my OB ran my labs and my labs were fine. And my labs were always mostly fine, but there was something almost underlying that this acupuncturist, he wasn’t able to figure out what it was, but he could tell that there was something there and that my body wasn’t wasn’t ready. And yeah, so after that, when the fatigue first started… so this was my third child and I did have a break between, but I had moved to Hong Kong in between the second and the third child and I lived in a high rise and I was inside a lot because it’s so hot there you’re always inside, in the air conditioning and the fluorescent lights. And I was like eating seed oil and like all the things. My body came out of balance. But I also knew what it felt like to be tired just because you weren’t getting enough sleep.
Dr. Taz: Right.
Meredith Oke: Which is a different feeling than when your cells just aren’t… you’re just not getting that charge that makes you feel like a normal person when you wake up. Yeah, so I went down all of these different routes and after a few years, I actually started to think that I was better. And then what happened was a friend of mine was diagnosed with breast cancer, and she was doing chemo treatment. And I was talking to her about what kind of changes she had to make to her life to accommodate the chemo treatment. She’s like, “Well, I think the biggest change is that I really have to just think about managing my energy and managing my activities to meet my energy levels. And I’ve really never had to do…” And as she was explaining, I had this moment where I was like, “Oh, that’s been”-
Dr. Taz: Imagine that.
Meredith Oke: … “normal life for me, and for you, this is a side effect of chemo.” So it was a real moment where I realized there was still more healing to be done, even though it was better.
Dr. Taz: Yeah.
Meredith Oke: And I’m not a detail person, I’m not… like, in the kitchen, I don’t think through. So all of the messages I was getting were like, “Food, food, you got to go Paleo, no, you got to go keto.” And my daughter was having digested issues as well, and I just was so… I can’t face just a lifetime of micromanaging my food. It really made me feel really depressed. So I thought, what if there’s something else? And I just had this intuitive feeling that there was, there was something that I was doing or not doing that was contributing to this. Because I really did feel like I was eating well enough and meditating and doing all these things.
Meredith Oke: And then I found an interview with a doctor called Dr. Jack Kruse, and he talked about light, and I thought, “Oh, I’ve not thought about that at all.” And so I went down that rabbit hole and started learning just how much our light environment matters to our health. And I couldn’t believe it. It was shocking. And at first I didn’t believe it, because I thought, “If this is true, I would know. Somebody would’ve told me, I would’ve read it somewhere. I would’ve heard about it.” And this was about five years ago, so I think it’s a little bit more known now, but it was just so amazing to me. And then what I found through doing my research was that it was just so difficult to access the information because it’s not going to be taught in medical school for decades and mainstream journalism wasn’t talking about it. So I started to interview every expert that I could find on this topic and created a video resource so people who are interested in understanding can go and not have to sort through 500 hours of podcasts.
Meredith Oke: And now we’ve got a course, a practitioner course, and we’re coming out with a directory this week so people can find practitioners who’ve studied this. But it’s really shocking. It’s sort of like I was doing things that were sabotaging my healing to such an extent and I had no idea. I was reading books on my iPad before I went to sleep at night. I would turn on any lights at any… as soon as the sun went down, I’d turn on all the LED lights. And it just seems like such a small thing, but what I realized is, if we understand… and this is where the science is new, is that we are not just biochemical beings, right? And I think Eastern medicine understands this very well.
Dr. Taz: Right.
Meredith Oke: But there are quantum mechanical processes happening inside living systems. Which most classically trained physicists will tell you is not true. But it has now been proven to be true by people who did experiments with birds and they realized that they migrate through quantum principles. So once they proved that, then they disproved the theory that quantum mechanical processes can’t happen in living systems.
Dr. Taz: So let’s stop for two seconds and let’s make sure everyone understands what we’re talking about. So light, and the frequency of light and the wavelength of light, what is that and how is that impacting our physical being? What is the simplest explanation that you can maybe share with people listening or watching today?
Meredith Oke: I think the simplest explanation is that photons come from the sun and they travel down to earth and they penetrate our eyes and our skin, and they are like energetic food for our bodies.
Dr. Taz: I love that. Yeah.
Meredith Oke: It’s like, we are photosynthetic, and we’d get our energy, not just from the food that we chew and swallow, but from the environment that we’re in.
Dr. Taz: So what is happening in today’s environment, where we’re indoors a lot, we’re on blue light all the time, kids are reading on the iPad, which is my pet peeve, they don’t have a textbook, which is the second pet peeve. Like, what are we doing? And I’m tracking with you, 100%. I have tried to explain over and over again, there are multiple layers to our being, we are physical beings, we are… we have chemistry, we have biology, but we also have an energetic plane and an emotional plane and a spiritual plane, and all those planes intersect and influence one another, and then ultimately determine what our DNA is going to do and what our mitochondria is going to do and all that stuff is going to do. So it’s very much like a three dimensional, five dimensional type image that I have in my head of how things are constantly interacting. And so, with what you’ve seen and the folks you’ve interviewed, what are some of the common themes coming out of the environment that we’ve created for ourselves today?
Meredith Oke: Well, first of all, that was a beautiful articulation of it.
Dr. Taz: Thank you.
Meredith Oke: That’s exactly how it works. And we’ve now reached a point where, because the science is there and also the results of ignoring it are there, with people getting more sicker and sicker and all of these kind chronic illnesses that nobody quite knows what to do with, like fibromyalgia and Hashimoto’s and all of these things that were not a big issue 20 years ago. Our circadian biology controls everything, it controls everything in our body. And there was a Nobel prize for that in, I think, 2018. And what we’re doing when we don’t take our light into consideration, is we’re dysregulating that whole system. So we’re throwing the whole thing off and we are exquisitely fine tuned to be programmed by the sun. So when we go outside in the morning at sunrise, the time around sunrise, and our eyes register the frequencies of sunrise light and our skin registers the frequency of sunrise light, we’re giving our body the food and the information to know what to do, to know how… It’s like turning on the on switch for the day.
Meredith Oke: And then periodically, as we go outside at different times of day, there’s a change in the calibration of frequency and the types of light that are coming out of the sun, and they all serve a very specific purpose to kind of guide our system through the day, to do all of the things that it’s supposed to do. And then at the end of the day, everyone says to get a good sleep, you want your room to be completely dark-
Dr. Taz: Right.
Meredith Oke: … which is absolutely true because then the darkness sends the signal that the day is over and you switch, you flick the switch from on to off, and you’ve been gradually pulling it over. And that’s where the darkness triggers your melatonin. The sunrise triggers it to be created, but the darkness triggers it to come out. So while you’re sleeping, all of the melatonin and all of the other hormones in your body are doing all of the things that they’re supposed to do to give you a restful, deep sleep, cleaning your brain. People might have started hearing about autophagy, which is like running the dishwasher of your brain cells while you’re sleeping. And if we dysregulated our light and we look at a screen before bed, we throw off that whole system. So even if we fall asleep, we’re not getting restorative, restful sleep because-
Dr. Taz: Being cleaned, yeah.
Meredith Oke: … the system’s not doing what it’s supposed to do and we wake up feeling tired or we can’t fall asleep or we wake up in the night. And it throws the whole thing off.
Dr. Taz: Hmm.
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Dr. Taz: So many questions. What is this light situation that we’re in doing to our hormones? Because we talk so much about hormone regulation. What is it doing to our children? I think those are two things I’m very concerned about. What’s your impression of what’s happening there?
Meredith Oke: It’s wreaking havoc.
Dr. Taz: Yeah.
Meredith Oke: Right? So I was listening to your podcast with the wonderful woman, she was talking about chronobiology.
Dr. Taz: Yeah, uh-huh.
Meredith Oke: That was a beautiful podcast and everything that she explained that’s going on in our bodies and in women’s bodies, that’s all controlled by light, and it’s all impacted by light. So if we’re in, let’s say, a toxic light environment, which is light from a screen, light from an LED bulb, fluorescent lighting, things like that, if we’re in that kind of environment a lot, and especially at night, we are causing inflammation in our bodies, we are raising our blood sugar, we are dysregulating our hormones. We’re basically throwing off every single system, but it’s like a little. So it’s like a little bit each time. And then unless we optimize our light environment, our body never has a chance to get back on track. So it’s not like a car crash, it’s like a very slow mismatch between… So our cells are vibrating at the wrong frequencies and matching up in the wrong ways, and over time, that accumulates and causes all of… I mean, basically any illness that’s not like a genetic disorder, is impacted by our environment.
Dr. Taz: Yeah.
Meredith Oke: Yeah.
Dr. Taz: For you guys listening and watching, I think if you can think about vibration and frequency, and that we all have that, and our food influences it, our sleep influences it, our mindset and emotional state of mind influence it. There’s so many things that influence it. But light influences it as well, which is why many of you tell me, and I experience this myself, we go on vacation and we eat crap that we normally don’t eat, but we lose weight and we come back looking better. Because, again, we are good about sleeping and getting sun usually and things like that. So there definitely is something to this vibrational or energetic piece of us, which, again, older systems of medicine had already picked up on and had… many of their modalities, like from sound healing, to acupuncture, to things like face tapping, there’s so many. So many of them are based in that school of thought.
Dr. Taz: So what can we do? And by the way, before we start talking about some actionable tips, I actually, for any child or adult with ADD or ADHD, this whole light thing is a really big deal. I’m not understanding how we’re going to convince our schools and our school systems to go back to good old fashioned textbooks because, sure, they can take their test maybe, but to expect them to be on all day long, on these devices, I feel like it’s contributing, in some ways, to this cognitive decline that we’re globally experiencing across the board, and definitely in our kids with ADD and ADHD as well. But what are some actionable tips? That’s a soap box, sorry, had to rant for a second because I’m dealing with this over and over again.
Meredith Oke: Preach it.
Dr. Taz: I know. But yeah, sorry about the rant, the sideline rant there, but what are some actionable tips that you think… What are things we can do? How do we, when we have to work or we have to study or we have to do these things, what are some things folks can do?
Meredith Oke: Well, and that’s the great news, there’s a lot of things that we can do and it’s all pretty simple. It’s not necessarily easy, because it may take-
Dr. Taz: Right.
Meredith Oke: We might have to fight against our modern lifestyle a lot and what we’re used to doing. But the great good news is that the sun is incredibly healing and nature is incredibly healing. And so if we just think about increasing our exposure to healing light, which is light from outside and certain, maybe well made red light therapies and things like that, but mostly the sun, which is free. If we think about increasing our exposure to that and decreasing our exposure to the bad light, and making sure that it’s timed properly, right? So you can sit in front of a laptop at 12:00, noon, and it’s not messing with your circadian rhythm in the same way as it is if you sit in front of it at 8:00 or 9:00 at night. Because the light coming out of the laptop, while there is no time in nature that has that kind of extreme blue light, there is blue light present in the sun in the middle of the day. So it’s not going to throw you off as much.
Meredith Oke: So it’s a question of increasing good, decreasing bad, and timing, so that your indoor environment matches, as closely as possible, to what’s happening outside. So if you throw on all your bright LED lights at 10:00 in the morning, then that’s actually not that big a deal. But then, as you move through the day… So I have them on now so that you can see me clearly, but I’ll turn them off, and then we have hanging lights that have incandescent bulbs, which is what we switch to once the sun goes down. And then for the reading lights in my bedroom, I actually have red light bulbs because red is the only light frequency that we’re evolutionarily matched with to see after sunset, because it comes out the same as what it would be in a fire.
Dr. Taz: Okay.
Meredith Oke: So that’s the big picture, right? It’s like, if my lighting environment is wildly different from what the sun is doing, I’m messing it up. So number one, we want to go outside as much as possible. So instead of having a smoke break at work, we want to have a sun break.
Dr. Taz: Got it.
Meredith Oke: If you’re having a coffee, if you’re having anything you can do outside, do it outside. So increasing that exposure. Opening windows, I have the sunroof in my minivan open always, unless it’s pouring rain. Because that all matters, every… And that’s the great part of it, right? It’s like, every little bit that we do to get natural light into our lives, because the light bounces all over, you don’t have to be standing out in the sun, you just have to have an open window, everything, it all matters, and it all contributes to our system aligning with nature. And then, when you do have to be on a computer, like in our family, we like to watch movies, and my son likes to play Fortnite with his friends, so we have a big basket of blue blocking glasses. And in our house, once the sun goes down, if you have a screen on, you have to wear them. My kids hate it, but they don’t hate it enough to give up Fortnite, right?
Dr. Taz: Right.
Meredith Oke: So those blue-blocking glasses make a huge difference. There’s software you can put on your computer, like Iris or F.lux.
Dr. Taz: What is it again?
Meredith Oke: Iris.
Dr. Taz: Okay. I-R-I-S?
Meredith Oke: Yeah, like the iris of your eye.
Dr. Taz: Okay.
Meredith Oke: That’s the one I use. And then I heard that F.lux, F-L-U-X, is also good.
Dr. Taz: Okay.
Meredith Oke: So I just have that on a health setting during the day, which just dims, pulls some of the blue light out, but it still looks pretty normal. And then if I need to go on my laptop at night, which I try not to do, but if I do, there’s another setting that makes it quite red. So yeah, it’s like light bulbs, I mean, first would be to just not turn on the lights, not turn on the screen, but we need to. So then you want to think about what type of light bulbs you’re using, what kind of light’s coming out of your screen, and wearing blue blocking glasses really, really helps.
Dr. Taz: Gotcha. Well, I love all those suggestions. Do we need to create blue light free zones in the house? Is that helpful at all? And go sit in them? Or I don’t know if stuff like that has been helpful or…
Meredith Oke: Yeah, absolutely. If there’s a room where people tend to hang out in the evening, then that makes really good sense to optimize that room. And it’s like, okay, because another part of the circadian lifestyle is you want to be finished eating before it’s dark. So if the kitchen’s closed down, don’t worry about optimizing the light in there, but if everyone’s always in the living room, then yeah, it would make great sense to outfit that one room to be really conducive to evening.
Dr. Taz: So interesting. How long do you think before the medical community comes on board?
Meredith Oke: So I ask every doctor I’ve interviewed this, I ask them that question and they all say about 20 years.
Dr. Taz: Yeah, it’s always 20 years. That’s the standard. It’s like anything new, 20 years later it becomes…
Meredith Oke: Yeah. I mean, that being said, I have had a pediatrician that told me about… warned me off getting a phone for my son as long as possible, because you asked about kids earlier, their brains are still developing. This is even more important for them.
Dr. Taz: Yeah. I feel like children should not have phones. I got forced into it, bullied into it, literally, by my daughter, because of her peer group and everyone had a phone and she felt like the odd man out. But really, I feel like until eighth or ninth grade, these kids don’t need phones, they really still need to be using textbooks. I feel like we’re doing them an incredible disservice by putting everything on an electronic device. But again, we’re going to find out about all this stuff later, not right now.
Meredith Oke: Yeah.
Dr. Taz: All right. Well, fascinating stuff. I want to know more about Quantum Health TV. Tell me a little bit about that and you know what you’ve enjoyed by creating that and where people can go to get more information?
Meredith Oke: Sure, yeah. So it’s been a labor of love, and Quantum Health TV has like just some very basic videos with interviews with doctors explaining what circadian rhythm is, explaining what blue light is. And then we’ve spun out from there, a directory, which is at quantumbiologycollective.org, and that’s where, I think to really create a movement, we need to do like what you’re doing with your podcast, right? You need to make a place where like-minded people can come together and where people who are struggling with a chronic illness, that they haven’t been able to shift fully with other modalities, this is a place where they can find a practitioner who has studied the quantum aspects of the human body.
Dr. Taz: I love that. And where is the world of quantum research currently? What are folks working on in that world?
Meredith Oke: So it’s interesting, there are studies on… Everything that I mentioned is… There’s a doctor, an ophthalmologist, who I interviewed, Dr. Jay Montgomery. And he says, the science is irrefutable at this point, right? If you go on PubMed and look up any of the topics that we just talked about, there’s a lot, a lot of research on all of it. But it’s slow. So the book, there was a book published called The Coming Age of Quantum Biology, which was those scientists who proved that birds used quantum mechanics to migrate. That book came out in 2011. The BBC made a documentary about it in 2014. And then just this April, April 2022, Scientific American came in the mail, and it’s like, the headline is like, “Birds use quantum physics to migrate, who knew?” And I’m like… So yeah, it’s all over the place, but there’s really… And quantum biology is an integration of the work of understanding the role of mitochondria, the work of understanding quantum physics, the work of understanding sound therapy, frequency, like all of these things coming together. So it’s constantly evolving.
Dr. Taz: So cool. So neat.
Meredith Oke: Yeah.
Dr. Taz: When you say birds use quantum mechanics to migrate, they’re using… you essentially are saying they’re using frequency and vibration, correct? To be able to migrate? Is that what that statement means?
Meredith Oke: Yes.
Dr. Taz: Okay. So they’re able to sense that, and that influences their migration patterns.
Meredith Oke: Yes.
Dr. Taz: Interesting. Well, I love this topic. I did a Ted Talk a few years ago on mitochondria and quantum mechanics, and I think it was a little bit too ahead of its time, because people were just-
Meredith Oke: Oh, wow.
Dr. Taz: People were like, “What is she talking about?”
Dr. Taz: … My point was mitochondrial DNA is the only DNA that’s transferred maternally, generation after generation, without much change. But mitochondrial DNA is also where thought and emotion typically get stored. So the leap I was making was the struggles of our female ancestors, whether it’s our grandmothers, great-grandmothers, generations before, we’ve got that data, we’ve got that information, and we’re carrying it around, and we’re still reacting from it or copying those behavior patterns because it’s still within us. So it’s kind of our responsibility to change that frequency, change that vibration by the way we live our life and how strong and resilient we make ourselves. So that was my whole big premise, but people were like-
Meredith Oke: I love it. Oh, that’s totally quantum biology.
Dr. Taz: … “What is she talking about?” But I believe it. And the reason I came to that was watching, in our family, how every woman had a story. My mother came and was an immigrant and had to fight for her independence and wanting to study and wanting to do her thing and all that other stuff. So she had the story of being suppressed, but fighting her way through it, but not being 100% confident, right? And then I grew up in that. So I saw a lot of instability. My parents didn’t get along, sort of that patriarchal dynamic. So I had this lack of confidence until I probably hit about 40, and then along comes my daughter, who has had a really great life, right? Like, happy parents and stability and… but has that same weird look in her eye about being confident, you know?
Dr. Taz: So that’s where I started to put two and two together, and it was just like, “Oh my God, this has been transmitted down through the ages. It’s in us. It’s almost like our generational burden to bear and to undo some of the wiring that’s taken place over however long.” So that was the Ted Talk, but it was in this world of quantum mechanics and quantum physics and how it impacts biology and what it means for medicine. So I’m excited to see the field evolve and grow because it’s something I’ve believed in for a really long time.
Meredith Oke: Oh, fantastic. Well, I’ll have to put you in our directory.
Dr. Taz: Yes, for sure. Definitely.
Meredith Oke: That’d be fantastic. We’re just prepping the link now for people to create profiles pages, so it’s-
Dr. Taz: Wonderful.
Meredith Oke: … free to be in, it’s free to use, it’s our gift to try and bring together all the people who understand this and work from that point of view, so that everybody… there’s people in there who’ve been doing it awhile, there’s newer people, so the idea being that no matter what you need, or what your price point is, you could ideally have some kind of practitioner in your life who can support you through this.
Dr. Taz: I love that. Well, thank you for all the work that you’re doing. If people want to learn more about your work and about light and the role of light in their lives and how to kind of manage some of that, what’s a good resource for them?
Meredith Oke: So I would recommend quantumbiologycollective.org.
Dr. Taz: Wonderful.
Meredith Oke: That’ll have resources and practitioners, you’ll have a profile page there.
Dr. Taz: Okay, awesome.
Meredith Oke: That would be the best place.
Dr. Taz: Fantastic. And for everybody else, thank you for watching and listening to this episode of Super Woman Wellness. I love this topic so much, we’ll continue to have conversations around it. But don’t forget you can rate and review it and share it with your friends. And I will see you guys next time.